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Tuesday, June 30, 2015

From a Friend From the UK

Bernie Sanders is going to put in a single payer system. Bad idea, as it will be inefficient and TOO EXPENSIVE.
I grew up in the UK, and the National Health service is bankrupt, they are now opening private hospitals, because there is often an 18 month waiting list to get a bed, or have an operation. You should know that the government cannot administer such a huge undertaking, I mean, just look at the post office, the VA and the DMV to see how bad they are.
I've lost two people as a direct result of socialized medicine. My uncle was diagnozed with a grumbling appendix, and the Dr said it neeeded removing before it burst. He was denied access to specialist, and patients can only see the Drs. to whom they are assigned, so no chance of a 2nd opinion.
Anyway, he waited 18 months for a hospital bed, and by the time he got in, and they checked him out, he had pancreatic cancer. Of course it was too late to operate...he died a couple of month later.
The second person had strange lumps behind his ear, he was told he was malingering, and told to go home. He had lymph cancer, (forgotten, the real term). He was also denied access to a specialist, he died of cancer, at 38, leaving 5 young kids. This is my experience but I have heard many more horror stories. Every European country has healthcare, yet they are all starting to open private alternatives, because the systems are overwhelmed and broke. The government is not capable of running a healthcare system...just looked at how screwed up the VA is. Also we have a far better cancer survival rate for cancer and transplants. They don't use the most up to date drugs, too expensive. At 65 you can no longer get a transplant, or even have a mammogram, not cost effective. It's a slippery slope, you do not need a single payer system, run by bureaucrats. They are not qualified to judge medical situations, yet they do. Be careful what you wish for; the free market works so much better. than a single payer, healthcare system.

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  1. Be afraid....be very afraid, lol!

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  2. Sounds precisely like a "letter" I read elsewhere on the interludes, or right blogistan if you prefer. Boilerplate and with no substantiating links or anything that would lead to verification.

    Analysis... false and without merit.

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    1. What's the story, RN? We can't trust everything we read on the Internets?

      I'm shocked.

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  3. BTW Lisa, your most recent header really shows willful ignorance.

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  4. Lisa, All predicted more than 5 years ago by smart people (non-Libtards)

    Hey libtards, Google "NHS service in trouble" and you will find numerous articles detailing the serious problems with government HC. Google. Yea I realize this may be new to you.

    And you wonder why we all regard you stupid Fs like monkeys in a cage. And you're all so proud to put you incredible ignorance on display all day long.

    Fascinating.

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    1. What is REALLY fascinating is waching conservaturd sheeple like you Kid keep lining up to be duped yet again.Smart conservatives with the ability to reason had better take the republican party back from the charlatans that have hijacked it.

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    2. Kid they are all for it until it affects them. Even Obamacare is having a negative impact on many people. Remember what Johnathan Gruber said.

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  5. 18 months waiting with a potentially burst appendix only to find out it's been misdiagnosed pancreatic cancer?

    I'm calling bull. How about some supporting story.

    The tribe that rubs poo in its hair is at it again.

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    1. It wasn't even potentially burst Ducky,read again.

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  6. By the way Lisa, you're not the only one with friends in the U.K.

    A friend's son needed a tropical disease specialist and got one immediately. His son was treated and did fine.

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    1. I used to go on a liberal blog that a guy from the UK commented on and we were commenting about it and he was saying that the NHS helped him but that he also had to have private insurance in order to get to see a pulmonary specialist for a chronic illness.
      In an emergency life or death they have to help you.

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    2. But if you need a specialist you either wait or you purchase supplemental insurance,if you can afford it

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  7. She moved here when she was 23 and still has family there

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  8. I know another woman who's in laws live there and he had to wait 6 months for a root canal and they just kept giving him antibiotics

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  9. Lisa, one sister and family are just moving from Canada after 30 years....they have fantastic health coverage unless there's something like a hip replacement, etc...things that COULD wait but that HURT. That takes a very, very long time...months sometimes. Of course, their taxes are over the top....nobody remembers to talk about that.

    Ya, you'll find good and bad in England; but I've heard too many stories like yours.
    If you get malaria, they'll probably help :-)

    We'll be going to single payer with the next liberal president.....And it's only a matter of time that all those folks who think they have such a deal with Obama care will, sadly, get real sick and then learn the downfalls. It's awful here in West L.A....docs retiring early, not on the exchanges, my premiums are going UP because, as my COBRA company told me "We just can't keep up with the cost of the mandates"
    Great, Obama. Thanks. My insurance is higher and I'm getting much less.
    Realists are already there; nonrealists are still celebrating a nightmare

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    1. Same here Z ,our copays and premiums have gone up .Many docs not even taking Obamacare,particularly specialists. Already was told by my mom's podiatrist that Medicare is giving them a hard time and the neurologist she went to was the only one we could find that takes medicare was such a quack,even though she has supplemental Ins they
      use Medicare as the primary insurance.
      Yes I heard that Canada and the UK pay for it one way or another,but I also heard Canadians are also bringing in private insurance,is that correct?
      My husband and I copays last year were 3,300,this is on top of higher premiums.
      So much for looking out for the middle class.

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    2. Before the ACA and mandates my COBRA was well over $500.00 per month. So, what is the difference?

      Unaffordable then, unaffordable now. Unless your indigent or among the working poor. Now they the subsidies cover them.

      A broken healthcare/health insuranse system remains broken.

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    3. Lisa, welcome to reality. The middle class since at least the early 80's, if not before, has been getting it shoved up their posterior. What is interesting is many of the middle class keep asking for more.

      Go figure.

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  10. So I got to thinking today, if these ding-bat liberals want to dwell on the sins of our past, and jut to st the record straight for the record I'm against the Confederate flag being taken down or removed from anywhere! However! If the lefties want to say that the Confederate represents “racism” And I support anybody's right to think whatever the hell they want to but in that case, why not BAN the American flag?

    People are claiming that the Confederate flag is a symbol of racism/oppression because of slavery in the south. If that's your argument, fine, I’n not going to get in tho that argument because I not only don’t agree with it, but I think it’s stupid!.

    However, with that logic how could the American flag NOT be a symbol of racism/oppression. After all the USA slaughtered millions of Natives, and their symbol was the American flag. During the Trail of Tears what flag did they fight under? The American flag.
    So if the Confederate flag is a symbol of racism/oppression against black people...how could the American flag not be a symbol of racism/oppression against Natives?

    The American flag means different things to different people. To some...it is a symbol of aggression and oppression. To others...a symbol of freedom and opportunity.

    Just as the Confederate flag means different things to different people. The people who think a flag (any flag ) defines who you are and what you believe are idiots, and some are simply raving lunatics.

    SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HEAR THE TRUTH, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THEIR ILLUSIONS DESTROYED!
    So, please, don’t destroy people’s lies, their illusions, or their foolish beliefs, because if you destroy their illusions they will not be able to live without their hatred.

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    1. Wow! Well said. Something all reactionaries ought to read and understand. As well as the Clown Car passengers.

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    2. Yes, nice deflection FOA. The problem is, the South succeeded and became traitors.

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    3. Question for FOA (sock puppet).

      Why was the Confederate battle flag dormant and ignored until the start of the civil rights movement in the late 50's?

      The American flag stands for America, good and bad.

      The Confederate battle flag sands for one thing, racism. It's coming down.

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    4. The problem is, the South succeeded

      They did? I thought they (unfortunately) lost the war.

      WOOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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  11. RN that goes for both sides. Th left are the ones who have been making most of these assumptions.
    Thank you FOA. I changed the header picture accordingly

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    1. An improvement.

      Offending someone because they have thin skin is just too bad and a part of life.

      Intentionally supporting and advocating something out of bigotry, hate, or racism is altogether a horse of a different color.

      Ignoring truths because it I easier to do so, or makes one feel better or superior is foolish and van be dangerous.

      Righty tighty reactionaries have a powerful long way to go in understanding this.

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    2. Ironically, one of the first flags of the Confederacy was mostly white which was confusing as the union thought they were surrendering. Idiots. Sorry you feel you have to surrender your bigotry and hatred Lias. But people like you deserve it.

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  12. I was never much of a Trump fan myself, but in many cases and many point that he made he IS right right …

    Mexico is outsourcing its poverty, illiteracy, disease, crime, and low-skilled employees. Illegal aliens who, for the most part, do not want to assimilate into America – to become Americans. They appear to want to recreate the hell-hole they just left; complete with their own allegiance to their country, their flag, their language, their dress, their food, their customs, and their holidays – all with the access to our social safety nets and the benefits accruing to citizens and legal immigrants and workers. They are exporting millions of dollars back to Mexico each day, so why would the Mexican government want to partner to stop the flow of illegal’s.

    Mexico IS NOT sending their best. And they are sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They are bringing drugs, they are bringing crime, drunk drivers etc, I don’t buy the case of them sending rapists, but they are sending criminals here and needless to say that is a major problem..

    This is not to say that all illegal’s fleeing from an oppressive regime, massive corruption, massive crime, and lack of resources are bad; especially those trying to do right by their families. But the sad truth, we cannot assimilate them into our culture without radical transformation of our finances, our medicine, our criminal justice system, and our very culture itself. These are people who go along to get along, as opposed to hard chargers and self-motivated entrepreneurs. They are a worker class.

    Make no bones about it. Illegal aliens are criminals – not only from their first border incursion, but from the document theft, forgery, and massive identity theft that has corrupted our tax and Social Security systems, and the perjury that goes with false attestations.

    And, since the border is not secure, we find much more than Mexicans entering our country and violating sovereignty. Including terrorists and violent foreign gang members in ever increasing numbers.

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    2. In 25 years Mexico should be a paradise then eh?

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  13. *Part Two*
    What Trump did not say …
    First of all, I would have liked to hear Trump say he would take the US out of the UN.

    Trump did not say that the illegal’s are welcomed with open arms by the progressive socialist democrats who see these unfortunate people as future democrats, union members, and church goers.

    Trump did not say that the illegals are welcomed with open arms by the GOP who see these unfortunate people as a source of cheap labor and easy financial rake-offs when they engage in unbanked financial transactions at exorbitant rates.

    Bottom line …As Trump said.. We need to close our borders.We need to limit immigration until we get a true headcount and perform financial, logistical, medical, criminal, and social impact studies.We need comprehensive immigration reform. Not a path to citizenship, but a way forward that will ensure that the generational issues will be solved in a single generation.
    We need to treat alien gang members as domestic terrorists. And, we need to rework the unionized welfare and criminal justice bureaucracy that serves this disadvantaged community.

    As for Trump, There was no way he could have continued at NBC/Universal while running for President; in essence, he fired the network the day he made the decision to file his formal candidacy papers. For NBC/Universal, attempting to look like they were firing Trump was a cheap shot.
    Any man that can build what he's built by going straight through the politicians can accomplish anything as a President of the United States. Pay attention to his agenda and his basic finance objectives. He's going to embarrass Bush right out of the primary's. Just watch.

    I doubt if Donald Trump will get the Republican party’s nomination. He does stand a fighting chance of winning the presidency as a third party candidate. Establishment Republicans choose their nominee, but they cannot win the general election without conservatives. Trump can draw voters from both major parties if he comes down to a third party bid.

    But ... to be fair, give The Donald a break as he misspoke -- as do many politicians under the adrenaline rush of a major campaign event. That the progressive socialist democrats at NBC/Universal will not cut him a break, like they did the lying progressive talking-head Brian Williams, is not fair.
    There is little doubt in my mind that Trump is a genius, he couldn’t have gotten as far as he has otherwise.. he may have said want he said the wrong way, but a clown? No he’s far from a clown. What he said was the truth.

    If it was a choice of “The Donald” or The LAIR Hillary, I’d vote for “The Donald” in a flash!

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    1. Meme sounds about right. Made from right wing boilerplate and anti free trade.

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    3. Trump as the nominee?

      Are you on drugs?

      Can't wait till he makes the debates and starts those other idiots talking about immigration.

      They'll look dumber than those two mutants who lost because they opened their mouthes about rape.
      Teabags do best when they shut their mouths.

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  15. Ducky's here June 30, 2015 at 6:29 PM...A friend's son needed a tropical disease specialist and got one immediately. His son was treated and did fine.

    "Tropical Disease" - Is that the latest euphemism for AIDS?

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  16. Hey Radical Redass Redneck, you're as big a zip wad as the gay dude that carved himself.

    But we expect that from you.

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    1. Brilliant rebuttal pedophile boy.

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    2. It was not only brilliant Redass; what made it even better is that it is TRUE.

      Now, go home to Shackleford and have a bigoted conversation.

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    3. Oh Good Lord ,that is sick. I am sure he was also leading the charge of the hate crowd against Memories Pizza also

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    4. Why Yes Lisa; it is as I've been saying. You have a couple of VERY sick yahoos that make this blog a real Stench Trench. Ya really ought to dump Radical Redass Redneck and Shackleford (among others) that drag your bog into the sewer,

      But hey, far be it from me to advise. Or GAS.

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    5. RN please stop ,you are getting annoying.

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    6. So is Radical Redass Redneck. Yet you NEVER ask him to please stop.

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    7. I prefer Rottweiler. He's a top sock puppet.

      Radical Redass is just a little first grader laughing at his own petty homosexual gossip. He's an impotent butt nugget.

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    8. First, he was was doing it before I ever posted here, second, no, he is doing it because it is Redass, and three I most assuredly do NOT like it.

      But I am not at all surprised you would defend Redass. He is after all one of your favorites. Comrades so to speak.

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    9. Because he is doing it just to bug you,in case you haven't noticed,but I think you like it

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  17. He's a friend. Ok so he does it to bug "Certain"people and since you started saying things ,see how it escalated?

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    1. I take a little trip over to that crap trap were you two hang out and make those stupid and yes childish remarks about this blog.
      Are you going to tell me that half of those char-actors aren't "sock-puppets?
      Think about it.
      Think about those stupid names that they use.
      Pot calling kettle black again?

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    2. You Sir are of Crap and you are a very big part of the problem yourself!

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  18. Good to know you approve of Redass Baboon and his links Lisa. Great friend to have if you're a racist.

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  19. yeah he walks around waving his confederate flag. You are so easy RN.

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    1. No, you are Lisa. But that is what makes this site a stopping off place.

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    2. ^"I know you are but what am I?" - part 18,554^

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  20. .......and RN said......"Lisa,please make RR stop,please make him stop....Lisa RR is hurting my feelings and he's making me cry...Lisa please ask him to stop."

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    1. Hey ChuckleNutz, isn't it time for Redass Baboon to change your diaper.

      Go home to daddy.

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  21. ......and RN said "Lisa, RR and Rusty don't believe what I do...so they are racist and bigots because they don't feel like I do.....Lisa,make them believe what I do....please Lisa,make them stop...they hurt my feelings Lisa....

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  22. ....and RN said...."Lisa, please make the people here like me..please Lisa,help me...they make me so sad because they don't like me...please Lisa,help me."

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    1. Actually WATB the fact everyone here hates me confirms I am doing everything absolutely right... Now, go home to Redass racist so he can change your diapered.

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  23. ....and RN said.."please Lisa,make them stop...they are making me cry....I really want to be liked Lisa....I will do anything.....

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  24. Suck it ip p*ssy. Now go home to daddy Redass and get your diapers changed WATB.

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  25. ChuckleNutz = No intelligence, No character, No integrity. But you certainly are a bigoted racist POS. Now, run along and have Daddy Redass change your soiled diaper.

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    1. Come back when you grow up. And leave the diapers behind.

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  26. ......and RN said," see Lisa they continue to make fun of me.....please ask them to stop,please Lisa they are making me so sad. I want everyone here to like me but they make me look so bad......please Lisa I'm begging you,make Rusty and RR stop."

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    1. Go find your crying towel WATB.

      Now, get home to daddy so he can change your diapers.

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  27. ....and RN said..."Lisa, they are making me so sad my stomach is upset, I cant eat my Big Mac Lisa....please ban Rusty and RR from your blog...I was so upset I cried myself to sleep last night."

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    1. Having fun WATB? Hurry home to Redass daddy, you've went and shit your diapers again.

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